Comments on: Where have all the Thankful gone? http://janechastain.com/2007/11/22/where-have-all-the-thankful-gone/ Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:18:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: James Robinson http://janechastain.com/2007/11/22/where-have-all-the-thankful-gone/#comment-812 James Robinson Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:38:06 +0000 http://janechastain.com/?p=27#comment-812 First, I loved the article and agree with the sentiment behind it. The term "separation of church and state" has been manipulated beyond belief and is being used to so exactly what the First Amendment was intended to prevent. If I may, I would like to respond to Mr. Veverka. James, you are correct Jefferson did not deliver a national day of prayer for peace. The prayer here is actually from "The Book of Common Prayer" published in 1928. However, the fact that this has been incorrectly atributed to Jefferson is hardly a sign of a "lie of the religious fanatics". It's a simple mistake, much like those who atribute the quote, "Those who surrender essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" to Ben Franklin. In any event, it is beside the point. While Jefferson did not make any proclamations as president, he did sign one as Governor of Virginia, which today would lead groups like the ACLU to his doorstep. He knew what separation of church and state actually meant, unlike the bizarre, anti-religious factions in America today who want to twist and manipulate the Constitution to get their way. First, I loved the article and agree with the sentiment behind it. The term “separation of church and state” has been manipulated beyond belief and is being used to so exactly what the First Amendment was intended to prevent.

If I may, I would like to respond to Mr. Veverka. James, you are correct Jefferson did not deliver a national day of prayer for peace. The prayer here is actually from “The Book of Common Prayer” published in 1928. However, the fact that this has been incorrectly atributed to Jefferson is hardly a sign of a “lie of the religious fanatics”. It’s a simple mistake, much like those who atribute the quote, “Those who surrender essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” to Ben Franklin. In any event, it is beside the point. While Jefferson did not make any proclamations as president, he did sign one as Governor of Virginia, which today would lead groups like the ACLU to his doorstep. He knew what separation of church and state actually meant, unlike the bizarre, anti-religious factions in America today who want to twist and manipulate the Constitution to get their way.

]]> By: Mary http://janechastain.com/2007/11/22/where-have-all-the-thankful-gone/#comment-539 Mary Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:45:54 +0000 http://janechastain.com/?p=27#comment-539 Great article. It is so important to make sure our constitution is accurately represented. In the same vain, research has found no evidence that Thomas Jefferson wrote the National Prayer for Peace. If you know of the source, I, and many others, would love to know where it came from. God Bless. Great article. It is so important to make sure our constitution is accurately represented. In the same vain, research has found no evidence that Thomas Jefferson wrote the National Prayer for Peace. If you know of the source, I, and many others, would love to know where it came from.

God Bless.

]]> By: James Veverka http://janechastain.com/2007/11/22/where-have-all-the-thankful-gone/#comment-312 James Veverka Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:03:24 +0000 http://janechastain.com/?p=27#comment-312 The national prayer for peace supposedly by Jefferson is a bogus quote. The supposed date of this quote is the same day as his second inauguration. Its not in it. Not only that, its not in the Compilation of Presidents speeches and papers. Its a lie of the religious fanatics in this country. Like Islamists, they just can't stand the idea of a government that is religion-neutral and treats all religions equally under the law. They have no understanding of equality under the law. They cling to medieval and colonial traditions predating the Constitution (See David Barton's writings) Visit me at www.stopthereligiousright.org The national prayer for peace supposedly by Jefferson is a bogus quote. The supposed date of this quote is the same day as his second inauguration. Its not in it. Not only that, its not in the Compilation of Presidents speeches and papers. Its a lie of the religious fanatics in this country. Like Islamists, they just can’t stand the idea of a government that is religion-neutral and treats all religions equally under the law.

They have no understanding of equality under the law. They cling to medieval and colonial traditions predating the Constitution (See David Barton’s writings)

Visit me at http://www.stopthereligiousright.org

]]> By: Jason King http://janechastain.com/2007/11/22/where-have-all-the-thankful-gone/#comment-66 Jason King Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:33:23 +0000 http://janechastain.com/?p=27#comment-66 Thank you, thank you and thank you!!! I have been saying this so many times about our 1st amendment and constitution my lungs hurt. You are so right, the constitution does not guarantee our right to not be offended. Amen! So have a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday! Keep speaking the truth! Thank you, thank you and thank you!!! I have been saying this so many times about our 1st amendment and constitution my lungs hurt. You are so right, the constitution does not guarantee our right to not be offended. Amen! So have a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday! Keep speaking the truth!

]]> By: Jane Chastain http://janechastain.com/2007/11/22/where-have-all-the-thankful-gone/#comment-65 Jane Chastain Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:28:32 +0000 http://janechastain.com/?p=27#comment-65 To Cynthia, Keep those prayers coming. I need them! To Cynthia,

Keep those prayers coming. I need them!

]]> By: Jane Chastain http://janechastain.com/2007/11/22/where-have-all-the-thankful-gone/#comment-64 Jane Chastain Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:26:01 +0000 http://janechastain.com/?p=27#comment-64 To: Michael and Christina, Thank you for your encouragement. To: History Matters, Beats me! To: Michael and Christina,
Thank you for your encouragement.

To: History Matters,
Beats me!

]]> By: Cynthia Hallum http://janechastain.com/2007/11/22/where-have-all-the-thankful-gone/#comment-63 Cynthia Hallum Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:19:35 +0000 http://janechastain.com/?p=27#comment-63 Jane I love reading your articles. Ann Colter move over. Jane I think you should be on Larry King. Or maybe Hanity and Colmbs. Keep up the good work you are in our prayers. Cindy Jane I love reading your articles. Ann Colter move over. Jane I think you should be on Larry King. Or maybe Hanity and Colmbs. Keep up the good work you are in our prayers. Cindy

]]> By: History Matters http://janechastain.com/2007/11/22/where-have-all-the-thankful-gone/#comment-62 History Matters Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:45:20 +0000 http://janechastain.com/?p=27#comment-62 I'm thankful that you wrote this article! It seems like the First Amendment is being used in a way opposite the Founders' intentions. The phrase "separation of church and state" is used to represent the First Amendment, but it is a poor metaphor for that purpose. When the phrase was used in the Everson decision (1947) to limit religious rights, the actual text of the First Amendment wasn't used. According to the "First Amendment Religion Clauses" blog (http://churchvstate.blogspot.com/2007/11/memphis-housing-authority-bans-worship.html), Jefferson demonstrated his feelings about religion: [BEGIN QUOTE] Even Thomas Jefferson, to whom we usually attribute the phrase "Separation of Church and State," apparently did not have such fears. Jefferson was the founder of the University of Virginia. From its inception in 1819, the school was governed, managed, and controlled by the Commonwealth of Virginia. Consider: * In order to accommodate and perpetuate the religious beliefs and practices of students at the university, he recommended that students be allowed to meet on the campus to pray, worship, and receive religious instruction, or, if necessary, to meet and pray with their professors. * He provided in his regulations for the University of Virginia that the main rotunda be used for religious worship under the regulations allowed to be prescribed by law. * He proposed that all University of Virginia students be required to study as a matter of ethics "the proofs of the being of a God, the creator, preserver, and supreme ruler of the universe, the author of all relations within morality, and of the laws and obligations these infer." [END OF QUOTE] Where in all that are we supposed to assume that the Founders or Jefferson would disapprove of a Nativity scene on public property? I’m thankful that you wrote this article! It seems like the First Amendment is being used in a way opposite the Founders’ intentions. The phrase “separation of church and state” is used to represent the First Amendment, but it is a poor metaphor for that purpose. When the phrase was used in the Everson decision (1947) to limit religious rights, the actual text of the First Amendment wasn’t used.

According to the “First Amendment Religion Clauses” blog (http://churchvstate.blogspot.com/2007/11/memphis-housing-authority-bans-worship.html), Jefferson demonstrated his feelings about religion:

[BEGIN QUOTE]
Even Thomas Jefferson, to whom we usually attribute the phrase “Separation of Church and State,” apparently did not have such fears. Jefferson was the founder of the University of Virginia. From its inception in 1819, the school was governed, managed, and controlled by the Commonwealth of Virginia. Consider:

* In order to accommodate and perpetuate the religious beliefs and practices of students at the university, he recommended that students be allowed to meet on the campus to pray, worship, and receive religious instruction, or, if necessary, to meet and pray with their professors.

* He provided in his regulations for the University of Virginia that the main rotunda be used for religious worship under the regulations allowed to be prescribed by law.

* He proposed that all University of Virginia students be required to study as a matter of ethics “the proofs of the being of a God, the creator, preserver, and supreme ruler of the universe, the author of all relations within morality, and of the laws and obligations these infer.”
[END OF QUOTE]

Where in all that are we supposed to assume that the Founders or Jefferson would disapprove of a Nativity scene on public property?

]]> By: Christina Perry http://janechastain.com/2007/11/22/where-have-all-the-thankful-gone/#comment-61 Christina Perry Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:36:48 +0000 http://janechastain.com/?p=27#comment-61 Mrs. Chastain, 100% loved your article "Where have all the Thankful gone?"......and I agree! Have a great day. Mrs. Chastain,

100% loved your article “Where have all the Thankful gone?”……and I agree! Have a great day.

]]> By: Michael Hotho http://janechastain.com/2007/11/22/where-have-all-the-thankful-gone/#comment-60 Michael Hotho Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:48:52 +0000 http://janechastain.com/?p=27#comment-60 Dear Jane, Thank you very much ! sincerely, Michael Hotho Dear Jane,
Thank you very much !
sincerely,
Michael Hotho

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