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		<title>By: Martin Holt</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2008/02/07/why-do-conservatives-eat-some-of-their-young/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I'm back.  Bwa ha ha.

I would LOVE to talk about fur, but I believe the only fur in Jane's original column was flying between conservatives and... uh, conservatives.  So I'll try to steer things back, if that's okay.

The problem I see in the Republican party is that for the better part of three decades, the GOP has hitched its wagon to the lumbering butt of the conservative movement.  As long as that the two were moving in the same direction, no problems.  However, the road is changing up ahead.

The vital block of 18-35 year-old voters are increasingly rejecting extreme conservatism, according to several studies (see the latest Pew Research Center and Rasmussen polls for examples.)  The 2006 election was a disaster for the conservative movement and the Republican party for that simple reason, and the nation's attitudes don't seem to be swinging back.  The Republican party, seeing itself becoming more and more irrelevant, has essentially engineered the primary election of John McCain, a relative moderate and the only GOP candidate with a chance of beating any Democrat at all, as the GOP's candidate (for example, Guliani's rewriting of the rules in large states to make winner-take-all contests, and the to-say-the-least over-enthusiastic calling of McCain as the winner of the Washington state primary.)  For the first time in three decades, the conservative movement isn't calling the shots.  

This reversal of tradition has caused the conservative movement to essentially threaten to take its ball and bat and go home.  I find it ironic that the Clinton-Obama spit-fight has been compared to the McGovern-Johnson debacle, when in fact McCain's nomination threatens to split the GOP in exactly that way.

BTW, my refernce to McCain as a relative moderate was quite deliberate.  It is a sensational symptom of the extremity of the conservative movement in general and the GOP in particular that someone like McCain could be, in any possible world, be considered a liberal.

More on that later, if anyone asks for examples.  Please ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I&#8217;m back.  Bwa ha ha.</p>
<p>I would LOVE to talk about fur, but I believe the only fur in Jane&#8217;s original column was flying between conservatives and&#8230; uh, conservatives.  So I&#8217;ll try to steer things back, if that&#8217;s okay.</p>
<p>The problem I see in the Republican party is that for the better part of three decades, the GOP has hitched its wagon to the lumbering butt of the conservative movement.  As long as that the two were moving in the same direction, no problems.  However, the road is changing up ahead.</p>
<p>The vital block of 18-35 year-old voters are increasingly rejecting extreme conservatism, according to several studies (see the latest Pew Research Center and Rasmussen polls for examples.)  The 2006 election was a disaster for the conservative movement and the Republican party for that simple reason, and the nation&#8217;s attitudes don&#8217;t seem to be swinging back.  The Republican party, seeing itself becoming more and more irrelevant, has essentially engineered the primary election of John McCain, a relative moderate and the only GOP candidate with a chance of beating any Democrat at all, as the GOP&#8217;s candidate (for example, Guliani&#8217;s rewriting of the rules in large states to make winner-take-all contests, and the to-say-the-least over-enthusiastic calling of McCain as the winner of the Washington state primary.)  For the first time in three decades, the conservative movement isn&#8217;t calling the shots.  </p>
<p>This reversal of tradition has caused the conservative movement to essentially threaten to take its ball and bat and go home.  I find it ironic that the Clinton-Obama spit-fight has been compared to the McGovern-Johnson debacle, when in fact McCain&#8217;s nomination threatens to split the GOP in exactly that way.</p>
<p>BTW, my refernce to McCain as a relative moderate was quite deliberate.  It is a sensational symptom of the extremity of the conservative movement in general and the GOP in particular that someone like McCain could be, in any possible world, be considered a liberal.</p>
<p>More on that later, if anyone asks for examples.  Please ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Chastain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Chastain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who would like to check out this "rant" it's under "Animal Rights" on the home page.

To Anna,

Let me get this straight.  In your view, some animals are worth more than others.  Anything with fur, should be protected.  Any animal without it is fair game.  In your economy it's a beauty contest.  Interesting, most of the animals we use for food: cows, pigs, chickens, etc. are harmless creatures, while that fox that was used to make my jacket, eats other animals --  in fact, it viciously tears them apart, while the poor creatures are still alive.  

Why wear fur to keep warm?  Unlike all the fake stuff, it last for years and then biodegrades.  In other words, it helps the planet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who would like to check out this &#8220;rant&#8221; it&#8217;s under &#8220;Animal Rights&#8221; on the home page.</p>
<p>To Anna,</p>
<p>Let me get this straight.  In your view, some animals are worth more than others.  Anything with fur, should be protected.  Any animal without it is fair game.  In your economy it&#8217;s a beauty contest.  Interesting, most of the animals we use for food: cows, pigs, chickens, etc. are harmless creatures, while that fox that was used to make my jacket, eats other animals &#8212;  in fact, it viciously tears them apart, while the poor creatures are still alive.  </p>
<p>Why wear fur to keep warm?  Unlike all the fake stuff, it last for years and then biodegrades.  In other words, it helps the planet!</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2008/02/07/why-do-conservatives-eat-some-of-their-young/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw your rant about fur - okay, I agree that PETA can go overboard, but their point is, why kill for fashion? It's so darn vain. I'm not a vegetarian, but I would never ever wear fur. Kill an animal to look good? Excuse me? Have we learned NOTHING in school?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw your rant about fur - okay, I agree that PETA can go overboard, but their point is, why kill for fashion? It&#8217;s so darn vain. I&#8217;m not a vegetarian, but I would never ever wear fur. Kill an animal to look good? Excuse me? Have we learned NOTHING in school?</p>
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		<title>By: DWPosts</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2008/02/07/why-do-conservatives-eat-some-of-their-young/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>DWPosts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jailhouuse conversions are never sincere, and Romney was getting ready to stand before the judgement of voters.  if it's not sincere, then he's a lying w----.  If it is sincere then he's too slow witted to be president.  Most of us understand that abortion is murder at a relatively young age, Mitt didn't understand it at 45.  And now we are supposed to believe he's a convert at 55?  Welcome to the club, Mitt, but you have to sit in the back until you've proved your worth.

Conversions of convenience have no weight, voting records do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jailhouuse conversions are never sincere, and Romney was getting ready to stand before the judgement of voters.  if it&#8217;s not sincere, then he&#8217;s a lying w&#8212;-.  If it is sincere then he&#8217;s too slow witted to be president.  Most of us understand that abortion is murder at a relatively young age, Mitt didn&#8217;t understand it at 45.  And now we are supposed to believe he&#8217;s a convert at 55?  Welcome to the club, Mitt, but you have to sit in the back until you&#8217;ve proved your worth.</p>
<p>Conversions of convenience have no weight, voting records do.</p>
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		<title>By: SDW</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2008/02/07/why-do-conservatives-eat-some-of-their-young/#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>SDW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Anyone who believes in creationism is an uneducated, ignorant ideologue who obviously doesn't have the judgment to head a PTA committee, much less be the president of the United States.

2) "abstinence only" sexual education has been shown time and time again to increase rates of unplanned pregnancy and transmission of STDs

3) Republicans are hardly the moral authority, if that itself could ever exist. Without going into detail regarding the philosophical debate of an absolute morality, They cherry-pick doctrine from ancient mythical texts like the Christian bible that happen to fit their rigid, discriminatory world view. They then use this framework to focus church-goers on dividing society along ideological division, instead of attempting to create a harmonious whole.
For being followers of Jesus, I sure don't see many conservatives spending their time helping our nations poor and disenfranchised, supporting social programs, raising money for the sick and starving, supporting action to save God's earth, etc. 
All i see is saber rattling about lowering taxes to maintain wealth, upholding wars of aggression, spreading scientific misinformation, and supporting state discrimination of homosexuals.

I think it's time for the conservative base to take a good look in the mirror and really ask themselves, "WHAT WOULD JESUS DO".. because he sure wouldn't be supporting the republican party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Anyone who believes in creationism is an uneducated, ignorant ideologue who obviously doesn&#8217;t have the judgment to head a PTA committee, much less be the president of the United States.</p>
<p>2) &#8220;abstinence only&#8221; sexual education has been shown time and time again to increase rates of unplanned pregnancy and transmission of STDs</p>
<p>3) Republicans are hardly the moral authority, if that itself could ever exist. Without going into detail regarding the philosophical debate of an absolute morality, They cherry-pick doctrine from ancient mythical texts like the Christian bible that happen to fit their rigid, discriminatory world view. They then use this framework to focus church-goers on dividing society along ideological division, instead of attempting to create a harmonious whole.<br />
For being followers of Jesus, I sure don&#8217;t see many conservatives spending their time helping our nations poor and disenfranchised, supporting social programs, raising money for the sick and starving, supporting action to save God&#8217;s earth, etc.<br />
All i see is saber rattling about lowering taxes to maintain wealth, upholding wars of aggression, spreading scientific misinformation, and supporting state discrimination of homosexuals.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s time for the conservative base to take a good look in the mirror and really ask themselves, &#8220;WHAT WOULD JESUS DO&#8221;.. because he sure wouldn&#8217;t be supporting the republican party.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely distrust any who have a conversion experience during or immediately prior to their run for office.  We know from experience that many change after getting in office anyway.  Only those with firm, longstanding convictions to principles for which we are in agreement seem to be the candidates we want.  Dream on, huh?

Obviously, columnists, bloggers and all who diligently read the same are better informed than the average dummy on the street.  Since the well informed have trouble keeping current, how will voters who catch an occassional sound bite be expected to vote for the right candidate?

As one of our founders said, (I paraphrase)  the republican form of government is only good when honorable men are elected.  S

So much for the experiment in a republican form of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely distrust any who have a conversion experience during or immediately prior to their run for office.  We know from experience that many change after getting in office anyway.  Only those with firm, longstanding convictions to principles for which we are in agreement seem to be the candidates we want.  Dream on, huh?</p>
<p>Obviously, columnists, bloggers and all who diligently read the same are better informed than the average dummy on the street.  Since the well informed have trouble keeping current, how will voters who catch an occassional sound bite be expected to vote for the right candidate?</p>
<p>As one of our founders said, (I paraphrase)  the republican form of government is only good when honorable men are elected.  S</p>
<p>So much for the experiment in a republican form of government.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, Huckabee has no chance to win a general election, but somehow Mitt "Apostle Paul" Romney has a chance?  Romney has no chance to win a general election, at any time.  He is a fake and a phony.  You people will believe anyone with good looks and deep pockets.  Why don't you look into who actually enforced gay marriage in Massachusetts?  You will find that it was neither the courts nor the legislature.  It was Mitt Romney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, Huckabee has no chance to win a general election, but somehow Mitt &#8220;Apostle Paul&#8221; Romney has a chance?  Romney has no chance to win a general election, at any time.  He is a fake and a phony.  You people will believe anyone with good looks and deep pockets.  Why don&#8217;t you look into who actually enforced gay marriage in Massachusetts?  You will find that it was neither the courts nor the legislature.  It was Mitt Romney.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am all for allowing and letting people change thier minds. However, when the change of mind comes during a presidential election race for the Republican nomination we have a right to be skeptical. I need to see some time supporting and working for conservative causes when he isn't running for President before I buy into his conversion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am all for allowing and letting people change thier minds. However, when the change of mind comes during a presidential election race for the Republican nomination we have a right to be skeptical. I need to see some time supporting and working for conservative causes when he isn&#8217;t running for President before I buy into his conversion.</p>
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		<title>By: M. B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let the suicide voting begin....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the suicide voting begin&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: M. B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, now ROMNEY steps out of the race because of Huckabee, who never ever had a chance to win a national election, splitting the conservative vote...which leaves us with McCain..the fake conservative.

Now listen to all the complaining from the same people who created this problem.  We now will have the choice of two democats this fall...thanks to the likes of Farah and janet folger.  They have finished what bush started...the destruction of the conservative base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, now ROMNEY steps out of the race because of Huckabee, who never ever had a chance to win a national election, splitting the conservative vote&#8230;which leaves us with McCain..the fake conservative.</p>
<p>Now listen to all the complaining from the same people who created this problem.  We now will have the choice of two democats this fall&#8230;thanks to the likes of Farah and janet folger.  They have finished what bush started&#8230;the destruction of the conservative base.</p>
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