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		<title>By: Eric Siverson</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2009/12/24/a-creche-without-a-cross/#comment-2742</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Siverson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane you seem to have a rather nice following of atheists here . not the kinda people I want to upset . but I just cant help it this time . Some of them may even enjoy this like I did .
   The ACLU went to court to complain about Christmass and easter for Christians and the Jews had Hannukah , this is dicrimination against atheists !  The judge thought for a while and said ,  &quot;the bible says whoever says in his heart there is no god is a fool &quot; Atheists have april fools day . case is dismissed .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane you seem to have a rather nice following of atheists here . not the kinda people I want to upset . but I just cant help it this time . Some of them may even enjoy this like I did .<br />
   The ACLU went to court to complain about Christmass and easter for Christians and the Jews had Hannukah , this is dicrimination against atheists !  The judge thought for a while and said ,  &#8220;the bible says whoever says in his heart there is no god is a fool &#8221; Atheists have april fools day . case is dismissed .</p>
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		<title>By: Srini Varadarajan</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2009/12/24/a-creche-without-a-cross/#comment-2735</link>
		<dc:creator>Srini Varadarajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane, the article ties in very much with many sermons and printed messages about &quot;cross-less Christianity desired by many Christians&quot;.  Also, another point:  infant Jesus is one which can be very non-threateningly added to a pantheon WITHOUT the person actually accepting salvation.

I first found out about this in 1995, about a year after I had accepted Jesus as saviour.  When I confessed (in a six-page letter) to my parents, I received a phone-call where my mum asked why I didn&#039;t just add Jesus to plethora (of Hindu &quot;gods&quot;, as many Hindus apparently had done) and read Bible but remain Hindu; I had never heard of infant-Jesus worship amongst Hindus prior to this (ironically, reading the Bible--specifically Dan 4--would actually warn the reader of what is WRONG with such).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, the article ties in very much with many sermons and printed messages about &#8220;cross-less Christianity desired by many Christians&#8221;.  Also, another point:  infant Jesus is one which can be very non-threateningly added to a pantheon WITHOUT the person actually accepting salvation.</p>
<p>I first found out about this in 1995, about a year after I had accepted Jesus as saviour.  When I confessed (in a six-page letter) to my parents, I received a phone-call where my mum asked why I didn&#8217;t just add Jesus to plethora (of Hindu &#8220;gods&#8221;, as many Hindus apparently had done) and read Bible but remain Hindu; I had never heard of infant-Jesus worship amongst Hindus prior to this (ironically, reading the Bible&#8211;specifically Dan 4&#8211;would actually warn the reader of what is WRONG with such).</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Chastain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Chastain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being &quot;religious&quot; will never get anyone into Heaven.  It is a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.

Begin by praying for your friend&#039;s salvation.  Ask God to give you opportunities to witness to him and be ready and on the look out for them when they come.  

If you dine with your friend, ask him if he would mind if you pray before your meal and do so in the name of Yeshua Hamashia,the Hebrew name for the promised Messiah.  This should spark some conversation about your faith (not religion).  

If he mentions religion, ask him about his personal beliefs.  Ask him about the basis for those beliefs (a feeling, what he has heard from others, etc)  This will give you an opportunity to share your faith and the basis of that faith with him.

Get him to read and discuss the 53rd chapter of Issiah with you.  Challenge him to read the New Testament.  It is one thing to reject something outright without examination but an intelligent person would only do so after the examination.  Encourage him to pray to the God that created the universe to reveal himself.  

Explain that Paul, the primary author of the New Testament, was a Jew who persecuted the early Christians until he was blinded on the road to Damascus and had an encounter with the living Christ.  That should peak his interest.  

Remember, that it is God, and God alone, who saves.  You cannot save him by an act of your will.  That takes some of the pressure off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being &#8220;religious&#8221; will never get anyone into Heaven.  It is a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Begin by praying for your friend&#8217;s salvation.  Ask God to give you opportunities to witness to him and be ready and on the look out for them when they come.  </p>
<p>If you dine with your friend, ask him if he would mind if you pray before your meal and do so in the name of Yeshua Hamashia,the Hebrew name for the promised Messiah.  This should spark some conversation about your faith (not religion).  </p>
<p>If he mentions religion, ask him about his personal beliefs.  Ask him about the basis for those beliefs (a feeling, what he has heard from others, etc)  This will give you an opportunity to share your faith and the basis of that faith with him.</p>
<p>Get him to read and discuss the 53rd chapter of Issiah with you.  Challenge him to read the New Testament.  It is one thing to reject something outright without examination but an intelligent person would only do so after the examination.  Encourage him to pray to the God that created the universe to reveal himself.  </p>
<p>Explain that Paul, the primary author of the New Testament, was a Jew who persecuted the early Christians until he was blinded on the road to Damascus and had an encounter with the living Christ.  That should peak his interest.  </p>
<p>Remember, that it is God, and God alone, who saves.  You cannot save him by an act of your will.  That takes some of the pressure off.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Mueller</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2009/12/24/a-creche-without-a-cross/#comment-2733</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Jane, 
    I had to laugh when I read the first response to &quot;A Creche Without A Cross?&quot; &quot;What kind of stupid statement is this?&quot; he/she asks. Indeed, it&#039;s one that created exactly the response you expected. It disturbed an atheist. Many of them, no doubt! And apparently not only does a creche scene disturb atheists, but also just stating that a creche disturbs them, disturbs them!
    I read nothing &quot;facetious&quot; in your article, and I saw nothing that was disrespectful to atheists. You simply stated the truth! God bless you for that.
    While reading &quot;A crèche without a cross?&quot; I thought of another good example of evidence that Jesus is real and truly is the Son of God, the Way, the Truth and the Light of the world, and that is the huge push from every direction imaginable to stop prayer and any acknowledgment of God and His Son in the world today, not only in public areas, but even in our churches and our homes!
    If pastors preach any part of the Gospel that forbids homosexuality or, for that matter, anything that might disturb or upset someone, those pastors can be forced not to preach that subject anymore or be fined or even have their tax-free status removed!  Although I don&#039;t think this has happened... yet, it IS happening up in Canada and in Europe and the atheists and secular-progressives here in the U.S. keep trying to force this upon us, as well.
    Not long ago, a pastor in San Diego was told he could not hold Bible study classes in his home any longer. The reason for this was pathetically weak and unconstitutional, to say the least, and the pastor had to seek legal guidance to stop the secular-progressive city managers from trying to deny him and those who came to his classes from teaching and learning the Word of God!  
    He won and the city of San Diego lost, but just the fact that they tried this is alarming and an indication of how things are going in our world today.
    Agnostics and atheists who keep pushing to remove God and Jesus from our lives (like writing &quot;Xmas&quot; instead of Christmas) don&#039;t seem to realize that the harder they work at this, the more convinced we Christians are that God and Jesus are REAL, and the Bible is the TRUTH!
    I have a question for you: I know a man who is extremely smart, witty and knowledgable of many things. He is a conservative and has great common sense, but he says he is not &quot;religious.&quot; He was born a Jew, but does not attend synagogue or church. He knows I am a Christian and I don&#039;t want to be pushy or preachy, but he is a man I would love to see be saved someday. Is there anything I could say to him that would not alienate him and turn him off as a friend? I would appreciate any advice you can give me. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jane,<br />
    I had to laugh when I read the first response to &#8220;A Creche Without A Cross?&#8221; &#8220;What kind of stupid statement is this?&#8221; he/she asks. Indeed, it&#8217;s one that created exactly the response you expected. It disturbed an atheist. Many of them, no doubt! And apparently not only does a creche scene disturb atheists, but also just stating that a creche disturbs them, disturbs them!<br />
    I read nothing &#8220;facetious&#8221; in your article, and I saw nothing that was disrespectful to atheists. You simply stated the truth! God bless you for that.<br />
    While reading &#8220;A crèche without a cross?&#8221; I thought of another good example of evidence that Jesus is real and truly is the Son of God, the Way, the Truth and the Light of the world, and that is the huge push from every direction imaginable to stop prayer and any acknowledgment of God and His Son in the world today, not only in public areas, but even in our churches and our homes!<br />
    If pastors preach any part of the Gospel that forbids homosexuality or, for that matter, anything that might disturb or upset someone, those pastors can be forced not to preach that subject anymore or be fined or even have their tax-free status removed!  Although I don&#8217;t think this has happened&#8230; yet, it IS happening up in Canada and in Europe and the atheists and secular-progressives here in the U.S. keep trying to force this upon us, as well.<br />
    Not long ago, a pastor in San Diego was told he could not hold Bible study classes in his home any longer. The reason for this was pathetically weak and unconstitutional, to say the least, and the pastor had to seek legal guidance to stop the secular-progressive city managers from trying to deny him and those who came to his classes from teaching and learning the Word of God!<br />
    He won and the city of San Diego lost, but just the fact that they tried this is alarming and an indication of how things are going in our world today.<br />
    Agnostics and atheists who keep pushing to remove God and Jesus from our lives (like writing &#8220;Xmas&#8221; instead of Christmas) don&#8217;t seem to realize that the harder they work at this, the more convinced we Christians are that God and Jesus are REAL, and the Bible is the TRUTH!<br />
    I have a question for you: I know a man who is extremely smart, witty and knowledgable of many things. He is a conservative and has great common sense, but he says he is not &#8220;religious.&#8221; He was born a Jew, but does not attend synagogue or church. He knows I am a Christian and I don&#8217;t want to be pushy or preachy, but he is a man I would love to see be saved someday. Is there anything I could say to him that would not alienate him and turn him off as a friend? I would appreciate any advice you can give me. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Pay</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2009/12/24/a-creche-without-a-cross/#comment-2728</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty Pay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane, a voice out of your past! I miss reading your work, as always right to the point! I&#039;m glad you&#039;re their helping to fill the gap! Thank you for what you do. 

God bless you and your family in the coming New Year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, a voice out of your past! I miss reading your work, as always right to the point! I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re their helping to fill the gap! Thank you for what you do. </p>
<p>God bless you and your family in the coming New Year!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Dine</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2009/12/24/a-creche-without-a-cross/#comment-2726</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Dine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m another atheist that celebrates Xmas - it&#039;s lots of fun for the kids and a good occasion for family members to get together.  Most of my family is either atheist or agnostic, but we still decorate our homes with lights and set up trees, and wish each other &quot;Merry Christmas!&quot;

On Xmas we went out for dinner with my nephew&#039;s wife&#039;s family - her mom and dad (Bill) were born in Palestine/Israel, he&#039;s muslim and she&#039;s Jewish – they met in college and moved here (L.A.) to marry and live.

At the restaurant, Bill in greeting wished me a &quot;Merry Christmas&quot; (he knows I&#039;m an atheist, but that&#039;s why we were there), and I said &quot;Merry Christmas&quot; back, even though Bill probably has mostly Hanukkah celebrations in his own home, but can you say &quot;Happy Hanukkah&quot; to a muslim?  Bill is a great sport with lots of friends, many of them are Jewish and love him dearly.

Shouldn&#039;t you be writing about LOVE &amp; TOLERANCE this time of year instead of making up a bunch of nonsense about people with different beliefs than you have?

Ken Dine

BTW - there&#039;s nothing wrong with government workers decorating their cubicles with holiday themes, including at Xmas time (I like to see them get into the spirit and have some fun).  

The only objection has been decorating public property using public funds, which is not an objection voiced by only atheists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m another atheist that celebrates Xmas &#8211; it&#8217;s lots of fun for the kids and a good occasion for family members to get together.  Most of my family is either atheist or agnostic, but we still decorate our homes with lights and set up trees, and wish each other &#8220;Merry Christmas!&#8221;</p>
<p>On Xmas we went out for dinner with my nephew&#8217;s wife&#8217;s family &#8211; her mom and dad (Bill) were born in Palestine/Israel, he&#8217;s muslim and she&#8217;s Jewish – they met in college and moved here (L.A.) to marry and live.</p>
<p>At the restaurant, Bill in greeting wished me a &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221; (he knows I&#8217;m an atheist, but that&#8217;s why we were there), and I said &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221; back, even though Bill probably has mostly Hanukkah celebrations in his own home, but can you say &#8220;Happy Hanukkah&#8221; to a muslim?  Bill is a great sport with lots of friends, many of them are Jewish and love him dearly.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t you be writing about LOVE &amp; TOLERANCE this time of year instead of making up a bunch of nonsense about people with different beliefs than you have?</p>
<p>Ken Dine</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; there&#8217;s nothing wrong with government workers decorating their cubicles with holiday themes, including at Xmas time (I like to see them get into the spirit and have some fun).  </p>
<p>The only objection has been decorating public property using public funds, which is not an objection voiced by only atheists.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel Mulloy</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2009/12/24/a-creche-without-a-cross/#comment-2718</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrel Mulloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane, I read two other columns dealing with the birth of Jesus, and the controversy about the date.(both in WND today) I have to wonder why it is so important that we know the exact date of His birth. Wasn&#039;t the most important thing not whether we celebrate his birth on December 25 or not, but that He was born in human form to begin with, so that He could eventually meet the end He did in order to cleanse us from our sins? 

It makes little difference whether Jesus was born in December or on the fourth of July; the important thing to remember at this time of year; which is the time we chose to remember it; is that Jesus was born and eventually died for us.

It is too bad that most of us don&#039;t know the real reason for Christmas, or celebrate it for what it is supposed to be.

God bless you and yours, and have a very merry Christmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, I read two other columns dealing with the birth of Jesus, and the controversy about the date.(both in WND today) I have to wonder why it is so important that we know the exact date of His birth. Wasn&#8217;t the most important thing not whether we celebrate his birth on December 25 or not, but that He was born in human form to begin with, so that He could eventually meet the end He did in order to cleanse us from our sins? </p>
<p>It makes little difference whether Jesus was born in December or on the fourth of July; the important thing to remember at this time of year; which is the time we chose to remember it; is that Jesus was born and eventually died for us.</p>
<p>It is too bad that most of us don&#8217;t know the real reason for Christmas, or celebrate it for what it is supposed to be.</p>
<p>God bless you and yours, and have a very merry Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: Happy atheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happy atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nothing disturbs an atheist like a crèche, or manger scene as it is more commonly called, featuring statues of Mary, Joseph and Baby Jesus surrounded by shepherds, wise men and assorted farm animals.&quot;

What kind of stupid statement is this? How many atheists do you know? I&#039;m an atheist and every year I prepare a crib (not creche, which in Europe is somewhere you leave your kids while you go to work). I respect all religions, why can&#039;t you respect atheists and stop the facetious comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nothing disturbs an atheist like a crèche, or manger scene as it is more commonly called, featuring statues of Mary, Joseph and Baby Jesus surrounded by shepherds, wise men and assorted farm animals.&#8221;</p>
<p>What kind of stupid statement is this? How many atheists do you know? I&#8217;m an atheist and every year I prepare a crib (not creche, which in Europe is somewhere you leave your kids while you go to work). I respect all religions, why can&#8217;t you respect atheists and stop the facetious comments.</p>
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