<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: We the Ignorant</title>
	<atom:link href="http://janechastain.com/2010/02/25/we-the-ignorant/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://janechastain.com/2010/02/25/we-the-ignorant/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 03:47:20 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: herbalecstacy</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2010/02/25/we-the-ignorant/#comment-2914</link>
		<dc:creator>herbalecstacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://janechastain.com/?p=591#comment-2914</guid>
		<description>Hi, i just came here after a quick yahoo search. Neat post you got here! Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, i just came here after a quick yahoo search. Neat post you got here! Keep it up!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2010/02/25/we-the-ignorant/#comment-2883</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://janechastain.com/?p=591#comment-2883</guid>
		<description>The problem with this is - who will create and grade the test?  The NEA?  Kevin Jennings?  Or do you even think for an instant that the Federal Government would allow anyone else to touch something like this?  And if the outcome STILL did not comply with their wishes, how long do you think it would take the stench of evil in the Federal courts to invalidate the results?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with this is &#8211; who will create and grade the test?  The NEA?  Kevin Jennings?  Or do you even think for an instant that the Federal Government would allow anyone else to touch something like this?  And if the outcome STILL did not comply with their wishes, how long do you think it would take the stench of evil in the Federal courts to invalidate the results?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2010/02/25/we-the-ignorant/#comment-2856</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 02:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://janechastain.com/?p=591#comment-2856</guid>
		<description>Jane,
While I agree it&#039;s sad and appalling most natural-born U.S. citizens don&#039;t have a grasp on government, it&#039;s interesting your solution is a restriction of participation in the very system you you want people to be knowledgeable of. A basic civic literacy test will not educate people of the issues being voted on, therefore blind party-line voting will still be the norm. The responses listed here are an indication to the entitlement people feel in imposing laws and taking away rights based on personal opinion and speculation. Viewpoints like this perpetuate problems, not solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane,<br />
While I agree it&#8217;s sad and appalling most natural-born U.S. citizens don&#8217;t have a grasp on government, it&#8217;s interesting your solution is a restriction of participation in the very system you you want people to be knowledgeable of. A basic civic literacy test will not educate people of the issues being voted on, therefore blind party-line voting will still be the norm. The responses listed here are an indication to the entitlement people feel in imposing laws and taking away rights based on personal opinion and speculation. Viewpoints like this perpetuate problems, not solutions.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Vernon</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2010/02/25/we-the-ignorant/#comment-2848</link>
		<dc:creator>Vernon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://janechastain.com/?p=591#comment-2848</guid>
		<description>Jane:

I too believe that a minimum standard should be met by every individual before being allowed to impose their world views on the public by casting a vote in this country whether it be Federal or State vote on any issue.

My standard would begin with allowing a vote only to those who rise above the receipt of any form of entitlement from the State or Federal Government to include those on the payroll for the government.  There will be no way to curtail the endless supply of money from the tax paying public to those who either cannot or will not elevate themselves above the insistence on their entitlements.  We are rapidly approaching a point at which the views of the tax paying public will no longer be a consideration in the business of governing this nation.

It would be interesting to see what a voter eligibility map might look like if the amount of government subsidy was subtracted from the government support, tax income, across the nation.  If this method of voter eligibility were instituted as a measure of the need for representation in the House of Representatives as opposed to a general census of the population, I wonder how many fewer representatives would be in office as a result.  I suspect the representation of heavily populated areas could be seriously diminished and that in favor of those on whose backs the burden of entitlement actually rests.

I would be all for the Civics knowledge on top of something like the above as a measure to assure that we are not being steered by those who would seemingly feel more at home in China, Russia or some other socialist environment.

Thank you for your service to your readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane:</p>
<p>I too believe that a minimum standard should be met by every individual before being allowed to impose their world views on the public by casting a vote in this country whether it be Federal or State vote on any issue.</p>
<p>My standard would begin with allowing a vote only to those who rise above the receipt of any form of entitlement from the State or Federal Government to include those on the payroll for the government.  There will be no way to curtail the endless supply of money from the tax paying public to those who either cannot or will not elevate themselves above the insistence on their entitlements.  We are rapidly approaching a point at which the views of the tax paying public will no longer be a consideration in the business of governing this nation.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to see what a voter eligibility map might look like if the amount of government subsidy was subtracted from the government support, tax income, across the nation.  If this method of voter eligibility were instituted as a measure of the need for representation in the House of Representatives as opposed to a general census of the population, I wonder how many fewer representatives would be in office as a result.  I suspect the representation of heavily populated areas could be seriously diminished and that in favor of those on whose backs the burden of entitlement actually rests.</p>
<p>I would be all for the Civics knowledge on top of something like the above as a measure to assure that we are not being steered by those who would seemingly feel more at home in China, Russia or some other socialist environment.</p>
<p>Thank you for your service to your readers.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2010/02/25/we-the-ignorant/#comment-2847</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://janechastain.com/?p=591#comment-2847</guid>
		<description>Great points!  Amen!  Have you seen &quot;1948 Cartoon?&quot;  If not, Google it and you will be amazed at how contemporary its message is.  Just this week we heard a remark on the radio that basically equated capitalism with communism.  Does anybody really know; does anybody really care?  Sadly, educating an electorate that wants to remain ignorant is an uphill battle.  It&#039;s like J.D. Hayworth saying he believes Obama was born in Hawaii.  Case closed.  What?  His opinion is as good as hard facts?  That&#039;s what we hear even from the judge&#039;s bench.  The fact that Obama was elected proves he is eligible?  What?  What&#039;s the difference between embryonic stem cells and adult stem cells?  Aren&#039;t they the same?  Doesn&#039;t abortion just remove tissue?  Isn&#039;t that tissue part of the woman&#039;s body?  Don&#039;t GLBTs have true love for each other?  What&#039;s wrong with them being married?  Wasn&#039;t Obama&#039;s running mate Sarah Palin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points!  Amen!  Have you seen &#8220;1948 Cartoon?&#8221;  If not, Google it and you will be amazed at how contemporary its message is.  Just this week we heard a remark on the radio that basically equated capitalism with communism.  Does anybody really know; does anybody really care?  Sadly, educating an electorate that wants to remain ignorant is an uphill battle.  It&#8217;s like J.D. Hayworth saying he believes Obama was born in Hawaii.  Case closed.  What?  His opinion is as good as hard facts?  That&#8217;s what we hear even from the judge&#8217;s bench.  The fact that Obama was elected proves he is eligible?  What?  What&#8217;s the difference between embryonic stem cells and adult stem cells?  Aren&#8217;t they the same?  Doesn&#8217;t abortion just remove tissue?  Isn&#8217;t that tissue part of the woman&#8217;s body?  Don&#8217;t GLBTs have true love for each other?  What&#8217;s wrong with them being married?  Wasn&#8217;t Obama&#8217;s running mate Sarah Palin?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rick Camren</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2010/02/25/we-the-ignorant/#comment-2846</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Camren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://janechastain.com/?p=591#comment-2846</guid>
		<description>Johnny: I have to disagree that Americans haven&#039;t risked their life for their country. There was the rescue attempt that failed for the hostages in Iran. Then you have the invasion of Grenada in which approx 800 American Medical students were rescued. Lets not forget the rescue of the crew of that ship that had been hijacked not too long ago by Navy Seals. Weren&#039;t those Americans? Was that for profit? I guess we shouldn&#039;t be going after Al-Qaeda after they attacked us and killed over 3000 people. 

I don&#039;t agree with every war, however there are times when we need to stand up to those that attack us or our citizens. 

Could you also please cite a source for our Founding Fathers where they believed only property owners should vote? As far as playing the military card as you call it...I just think that if one is willing to serve their country they should have a voice in how things are done. Is that so bad? Most soldiers, sailors, or Marines don&#039;t own property. Would you dent them the right to vote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny: I have to disagree that Americans haven&#8217;t risked their life for their country. There was the rescue attempt that failed for the hostages in Iran. Then you have the invasion of Grenada in which approx 800 American Medical students were rescued. Lets not forget the rescue of the crew of that ship that had been hijacked not too long ago by Navy Seals. Weren&#8217;t those Americans? Was that for profit? I guess we shouldn&#8217;t be going after Al-Qaeda after they attacked us and killed over 3000 people. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with every war, however there are times when we need to stand up to those that attack us or our citizens. </p>
<p>Could you also please cite a source for our Founding Fathers where they believed only property owners should vote? As far as playing the military card as you call it&#8230;I just think that if one is willing to serve their country they should have a voice in how things are done. Is that so bad? Most soldiers, sailors, or Marines don&#8217;t own property. Would you dent them the right to vote?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: rjh</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2010/02/25/we-the-ignorant/#comment-2845</link>
		<dc:creator>rjh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://janechastain.com/?p=591#comment-2845</guid>
		<description>As I mentioned in an earlier post, I believe that a better qualifier than property ownership is: Did you actually PAY income tax (not SS or medicare)? If not, no vote. Our major problems stem from the fact that people who are not paying into the system are determining how the money is spent (usually on programs that, unproportionally, benefit them)...and politicians are buying their votes with our tax dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I mentioned in an earlier post, I believe that a better qualifier than property ownership is: Did you actually PAY income tax (not SS or medicare)? If not, no vote. Our major problems stem from the fact that people who are not paying into the system are determining how the money is spent (usually on programs that, unproportionally, benefit them)&#8230;and politicians are buying their votes with our tax dollars.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Clay Byrom</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2010/02/25/we-the-ignorant/#comment-2844</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Byrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://janechastain.com/?p=591#comment-2844</guid>
		<description>Jane, 

It is a very good idea to require voters to pass a test on civic literacy before they can vote, however, in all likelihood it will never happen.  Liberals are street-smart, and they know that the more informed an electorate is the less likely they will vote for liberals.  The only wars liberals know how to win are culture wars, but they are very formidable in those kind of wars.  Liberals knew in the early 1970s that a big key to them permanently retaining their power was to dumb down students with classes such as social studies and to indoctrinate them.  A lot of other evil happened in the United States in the early 1970s as well such as Roe v. Wade, and a Republican president forced to resign from office.  If Ronald Reagan hadn&#039;t come along as president in the 1980s, then the country would already be finished.  Unfortunately, the liberals regained power in all three branches of government from 2006-2008, and things have been hanging by a thread, but America still has a pulse. The elections in 2010 and 2012 will determine if America continues to have a future or not.  

Clay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, </p>
<p>It is a very good idea to require voters to pass a test on civic literacy before they can vote, however, in all likelihood it will never happen.  Liberals are street-smart, and they know that the more informed an electorate is the less likely they will vote for liberals.  The only wars liberals know how to win are culture wars, but they are very formidable in those kind of wars.  Liberals knew in the early 1970s that a big key to them permanently retaining their power was to dumb down students with classes such as social studies and to indoctrinate them.  A lot of other evil happened in the United States in the early 1970s as well such as Roe v. Wade, and a Republican president forced to resign from office.  If Ronald Reagan hadn&#8217;t come along as president in the 1980s, then the country would already be finished.  Unfortunately, the liberals regained power in all three branches of government from 2006-2008, and things have been hanging by a thread, but America still has a pulse. The elections in 2010 and 2012 will determine if America continues to have a future or not.  </p>
<p>Clay</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Johnny</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2010/02/25/we-the-ignorant/#comment-2843</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://janechastain.com/?p=591#comment-2843</guid>
		<description>Rick:
Different states could make different policy on voting. You would not be forced to live in a state where only property owners could vote. I am not suggesting that the Feds set any policy on who can vote, the states would. It should be this way. I agree with the Founding Fathers on this issue. Did they insult you also? They really risked their necks and they believed that only property owners should vote.
Why did you play the military card? I am not a neocon who loves militarism, so that one didn&#039;t phase me too much. People haven&#039;t given their lives &quot;for their country&quot; since WW2. Since then we have just had wars fought for the profits of the military industrial complex. War is the health of the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick:<br />
Different states could make different policy on voting. You would not be forced to live in a state where only property owners could vote. I am not suggesting that the Feds set any policy on who can vote, the states would. It should be this way. I agree with the Founding Fathers on this issue. Did they insult you also? They really risked their necks and they believed that only property owners should vote.<br />
Why did you play the military card? I am not a neocon who loves militarism, so that one didn&#8217;t phase me too much. People haven&#8217;t given their lives &#8220;for their country&#8221; since WW2. Since then we have just had wars fought for the profits of the military industrial complex. War is the health of the state.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Harold Harmon</title>
		<link>http://janechastain.com/2010/02/25/we-the-ignorant/#comment-2841</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Harmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://janechastain.com/?p=591#comment-2841</guid>
		<description>Ms. Chastain,
 I am a white, male, Independent informed voter who has voted in every single election, state and federal, since 1968.

Although I agree in principle to what you said in your column, you must realize that literacy tests (along with poll taxes) are how we in the South prevented blacks from voting before &gt; those measures were declared illegal and unconstitutional. I think it would be impossible at this point to reinstate them.

Regards,

Harold Harmon
Senior Citizen
Decatur, GA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Chastain,<br />
 I am a white, male, Independent informed voter who has voted in every single election, state and federal, since 1968.</p>
<p>Although I agree in principle to what you said in your column, you must realize that literacy tests (along with poll taxes) are how we in the South prevented blacks from voting before &gt; those measures were declared illegal and unconstitutional. I think it would be impossible at this point to reinstate them.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Harold Harmon<br />
Senior Citizen<br />
Decatur, GA</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

